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I really don’t think Hal cloned himself — I think it happened after he was shot — it was right in our face that he healed way too quickly and we just chalked it up to action hero bounce-back. I also don’t think it was Hal that broke out Sinestro — I think it was Lianna. I believe she is a Guardian, but I do not think she is in “good standing”. I think she is doing this all behind the Guardians back and she can do so under the cover of “no one cares about backwater Earth”. Hal hasn’t checked in for over a decade, John’s only contact with the Guardians is Lianna herself, and there is a very legitimate line of thinking that she specifically wanted to experiment with Humans in making them perfect soldiers. A Hal that can be bread to follow orders, and succeed where the Manhunters failed. When that didn’t work out, she broke out Sinestro to overcome the Guardians (or maybe a vain effort to win them over) as they likely align ideologically anyway. Who else told Sinestro about John Stewart, and his potential threat to Hal? Who else COULD have? It’s right in our faces, plus the Sinestro Corps War hasn’t happened yet... this could be leading to that, and Lianna is one of the fallen Guardians from the comics (Scar, Kronos, or Koyos). They keep telling us about beings that change their shape, and gender — I can see one of those guardians presenting as female so as not to “disturb or upset” Bernadette as she manipulated her into indoctrinating her child to make up for the “shortcomings” of her husband.

Hall is still alive, and a clone was killed. I feel it’s the 2016 version that was shot on Macon’s ranch — he healed way too quickly — and it was the clone we got from that point on, including the one who was killed in ’26. I think that within that time, the clone realized he’s not actually Hal, but after years on individual memories stayed the course, thinking Real Hal was dead. He’s not, more in a second. I think that while Clone Hal was just trying to live in real Hal’s absence, and started a relationship with Sheriff Kerry, he realized Noah is a Manhunter but had to keep it quiet (remember that Kerry said in ’16, while she was shooting at Hal, that “they can see us but they can’t hear us”) so he used Bernadette to lure John back to Rushville. I think he made John mad on purpose so he’d punch Hal — so that anyone looking doesn’t suspect they may be still looking/investigating/or generally on the same page. Clone Hal had no idea he was going to be shot. Real Hal’s been under the water tower this whole time.

Hello everyone — slid over from SuperHero Hype — hope there are some people that also left there, here. I absolutely love discussing theories for “Genre” shows and movies, and love talking comics. Hope everyone is having a great day, cheers!

We don’t know how Hal knows — the ring could have told him. We DO now that Hal is not in the habit of checking in, and he goes “with his gut”, so he could just be reacting to his perception of the information he has. The ring could have detected another ring being used when John has his test, and knowing he hasn’t exactly been a model corps member and his age now being more and more a factor, plus his ego... it’s more than likely his behaviour is all driven by assumptions (they are trying to replace me) that just happen to be partially correct, therefor (in his eyes) reinforcing the prospecting telling him all he thinks he needs to know. What I do love about this show is it leverages the Rashomon storytelling style of telling one even from the perspective of different characters (sometime unreliably), and every time we are told what we “already know”, we actually learn more about what really happened. The answers are most likely right in front of us, it just hasn’t clicked (by design) from the right perspective yet.

Yeah, my comment wasn’t praise (per se) about John’s method — just pointing out their very different approaches — which I feel adds to their disconnect since they aren’t communicating motives. They could actually learn a lot from each other (both for this case, and how to be better Lanterns) had they not been played against each other by Lianna. Personally, I don’t think time matters (narrative-wise) in relation to one or several Manhunters. They have no real individual personality or motivation outside their human cover, and since we’ve already been introduced to who they are and what they did, having one, three or ten hiding in the town, or hell — the whole town — would need little more setup. All the things you mention can be covered easily in the remaining four episodes, while also revealing half the town (for instance) are Manhunters seeking refuge from those searching for them. What If that is what Abin Sur discovered? Not one, but a colony of them — having Zoe as the narrative’s “representative” for them — and that way providing their exposition.

One thing the show has really done well is shoot straight. When they say a thing happens — it happens — it’s just the context we understand it in that ends up being the issue. I don’t think she THE Manhunter, I think she is A Manhunter. John doesn’t have all the information so he’s not acting... yet. And that’s the big problem with Hal, here, he acts then thinks... and he’s shown that several times both in the moment, AND in flashbacks.